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Author Topic: Working with large maps  (Read 10315 times)
ColinW
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« on: January 02, 2008, 08:03:34 PM »

I love Flying Logic ..... for creating small maps. Regretably I still have to use Visio for serious work (ie: large maps). I'm wondering if other users have the same issue, or indeed how they circumvent it.

Typically the way I work with large maps is to slice and dice the logical map (whiteboard/post-its) into A4 sized chunks (sub-maps) and then create these physical diagrams in Visio, employing off-page connectors to glue it all together.

Now, what I've found with FL is that it has two main problems with large maps:

1. Navigation: I find I am constantly zooming and unzooming. There is a trade-off between being able to read the entity and seeing enough of the map to work with (find entities, draw connectors etc).
2. There is no support for off-page connectors. I created a new entity for this purpose but FL pushes the connectors to the perimeter of the map, which ruins readability.

It would be ideal if FL allowed you to always work on a logical view (ie: the entire map) but then create a physical view by slicing and dicing automatically (or manually) with off-page connectors for presentation purposes (ie: hardcopy, jpegs etc).

As an interim measure FL needs support for off-page connectors so I can create my own sub-maps.

Let me know your thoughts.

regards,
Colin
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Robert McNally
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2008, 04:38:27 PM »

Zooming under the new version 1.1 should be clearer, so you should find it easier to work when zoomed out. Also, one tip for zooming is to use the View > Zoom to Fit and View > Full Size commands along with the idea that these commands always keep the current selection visible.

With regard to off-page connections: FL Pro 1.1 now includes standard symbols used in flowcharting to represent off-page connectors. You may want to explore the use of those in concert with the new Layout Bias settings that will avoid pushing them to the edge of the diagram.

I agree that FL still needs a way to define logical pagination for the document. We're working on it.
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ColinW
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2008, 06:42:43 AM »

Hi Robert,
I have installed v1.1 - some nice new features.

However, the new default bias option creates different (and worse) problems with the map layout, so that has not solved the off-page connector issue.

There is a glitch with the default bias drop down menu in the Preferences window.

Also I can't open templates with this new version. I will have to regress to the previous version.

Thanks,
Colin


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Joe Pearce
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2008, 02:13:04 PM »

We are aware of the template loading bug and should have a bug-fix release for that soon.

Could you describe the "glitch" in the default bias menu?
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2008, 07:47:10 PM »

Joe,

Sorry it's a problem with the default orientation drop down menu - the default bias label gets overlaid on the drop-down.

Regards,
Colin
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2008, 05:05:44 PM »

Thanks for the extra info. The "Default Bias" label definitely has a problem under Windows. There will be a fix in the next release.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2008, 01:58:28 AM »

Lately I've been developing the site structures for various web sites. I've taken one of my maps and filled in the useful text with total nonsense so I could post it here without violating my NDA...

There are a series of files. The first is the entire map for you to see how large this is. It's not the entire site yet, but a big enough chunk to show the client that we are heading in the right direction.

From the second page on I used the Group function in FL to make useful chunks for printing in landscape view on standard paper. Typically I've been saving each page as a separate PDF in LF and using Acrobat to combine multiple files into one. Then emailing.

Using groups within groups is very handy. You can even add a label/text to the group so you know what it is. I didn't take the time to do that here, maybe on the next example. One thing I've found this useful for is showing the map along with the actual graphics of the website. You can name the group the same as the file name of the graphic.

Also, I don't know which version this was implemented in but the click/drag to move around when zoomed in works great for following the flow.

Another useful feature is to FOLLOW the GREEN GLOW! If you pay attention to which object is highlighted when you save you can use the glow to show where you are in each diagram...

cheers,

arinky





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ARinky
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2008, 01:59:58 AM »

There is that 4 file limit so here are the next 4...


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ARinky
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2008, 02:01:40 AM »

And the last 4... are you still with me? No snoring in the back row! Smiley


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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2008, 02:04:13 AM »

And here is the map so you can see how the Classes in FL relate to the website.


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